enough for medicare-medicaid, not wealthy enough to buy their medicine. i've met them, people like mary annie and edward davis in nashua, new hampshire. all over this country, they cannot even buy medicine. so let's be careful. when we talk about cutting health care costs, let's start with the insurance companies and the people that are making a killing instead of making our people healthy. [applause] >> one minute, president bush. >> well, first place, i'd like to clear up something because every 4 years, the democrats go around and say, republicans are going to cut social security and medicare. they started it again. i'm the president that stood up and said, don't mess with social security, and i'm not going to and we haven't and we are not going to go after the social security recipient. i have one difference with mr. perot on that because i don't think we need to touch social security. what we do need to do, though, is control the growth of these mandatory programs. and ross properly says, okay, there's some pain in that. but governor clinton refuses